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The reason for the rise in radical islam
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Posted 6/28/2006 8:41 AM


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Its a simpltons approach but here i go:

 

First i believe it is due to the lack of options for the youth of the middle east, and the lack of power their governments have.  They dont have alot of job opportuinties and they see their world being so behind the west that they of course grow to hate it.

Second the rise in the amount militant madrass's that are teaching this hate to the very young of most ME countries

3rd the appeasement of the terrorists by the clinton administration and their handleing of Somalia that sent the message the "US wont bleed"  which i believe started the "wave" of problems that led up to 9/11

I believe that local law enforcement can handle it to a extent,  the problem is living in a free society with many who have their heads in the sand will enable terrorists to do what they want among us....till its too late

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Posted 6/28/2006 10:38 AM
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It has a number of reasons, but one of the most influential I believe is the poverty in ME regions.
When people have enough money to provide in their basic needs AND a little luxery, they won't turn radical.
A solution would be to bring the Middle-Eastern way of life up to American and European levels, and you'll see a decrease in violence. Because honestly, who wants to blow himself up when you've got a great house, good food, fresh drinks, a nice car, etc? This ofcourse is a dream and cannot be achieved easily.

It's only when your situation goes from bad to worse and even then it's still going down, people become sensitive to radicalism. After all, when all of your life you are told by your mother, father, Imam, etc that the Western World is bad, and they took everything away from you, I bet you'd be pretty ticked off yourself.

An example to illustrate my sayings:
I live in Belgium, and I'm a teacher in a city called Mechelen with a population consisting of over 55% of immigrants and 88% of them follow the Islamic religion. Last year one of my pupils told me (literally!) to "f*ck off" because I was white and a Christian. He wouldn't listen to me because, according to him, we (the Western World) were going to be destroyed anyway within the next few years!
I was appauled by this sort of behavior and I immediately consulted with my colleagues what to do about it. They told me they had confronted his parents with his behavior before and it turned out they approved of what their son did!

Some (and certainly not all of them!) are indoctrinated and are discouraged to think for themselves, I notice these things while trying to start discussions in class.

Well, these were my two cents, I hope someone can add something useful.

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Posted 7/2/2006 10:20 PM
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Yes, the poverty is but one of the catalysts for radicalism. Although one could argue the opposite as many of the terrorists such as the  perpatrators of 9/11 were not poor at all and came from middle upperclass families and were also well educated for the most part.

There is the problem of the haves and have nots though, and there is a wide gap between the two groups, so yes this is one problem.

Another problem is that the Governments of Muslim countries are loath to really take a stand because they are worried about "being in government" as there are big support bases for radical groupd within these countries.

Governments and individuals are expexted to support the causes of fellow Muslims, the notion of the Mulim Brotherhood. In my opinion this is a f****, considering the amount of conflict between rival Islamic ideologies.

I think this is one of the most frustrating and irratating aspects for Westerners such as myself. For example if I knew someone had planted a bomb or shot and killed innoccent people I would pass that information on to the proper authorities. Whereas tha Muslims for the most part will not, they will protect the Muslim Brother.

This is supposedly due to the fact thay they view themselves (Arabs) as a collective society. Which again I find hard to comprehend with all the conflicts not just between Arab countries but the violence between Shi'ite and Sunni for example.

Another problem is Arab Governments supporting radical groups and the Middle East conflict to further there own agendas.

For example the Palestinian's. The supporters of HAMAS etc. such as Syria, Egypt and others have used the Palestinian's, they will not negotiate with Israel as this would be seen as reconising Israels right to exist, hence this keep the "wound open". These groups then blame the west and in particular the US for the Middle East situation.

If one looks at the history of the Middle East it becomes very clear that the US has very little to do with the situation.

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Posted 7/27/2006 4:51 PM
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Let's look at history for a bit.  Radical, millitant Islam is not a new concept.  What we are seeing now which has been used to charge existing muslims is a continuation of a Jihad that started hundreds of years ago.  It was never wiped out totally and has come back to the forefront now.  Americans are very short sighted with short memories and tend not to see long-term planning.  Until we can think more strategically, we will miss continue to miss where people that are planning for the long term are going.

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